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A Status Update 
#DL14, 14 November 2014, New York
 How do problems of Digita Labor (DL) compare to 
those of non-DL, unorganized labour? 
 How do we understand the current strategies and tools 
being used to improve conditions for DL? 
 Can we imagine and implement more opportunities and 
tools for self-organizing? 
 How can we add action based organizing to current 
predominantly reputation based organizing?
SAYS-US.NET 
Frank Kashner 
 From GE IUE factory to software engineering to social 
work & SEIU 
 From South Bay Mental Health to jobvent.com to says-us. 
net and digital solutions 
 Says-us.net 
 Online platform to enable working people to voice & 
hear complaints about work (+) 
 To find each other, to organize, and to take action
Digital Labor is Labor 
 Jeff Bezos / Amazon = Innovator, Employer, 
Aggregator, Boss, Enabler, Exploiter 
 Requesters and Turkers = bosses and workers 
 DL faces small employers, lawless, abusive, low 
wages, divisions, isolation
 There are multiple rating & review systems 
 ratemyemployer.ca, jobvent.com, jobitorial.com, glassdoor.com, 
fixmyjob.com, coworker.org, contratados.org, Dynamo, Turkopticon, 
hylo.org, Reddit, Facebook, Twitter 
 Turkopticon ratings: 
Communicativity, generosity, fairness, pr 
omptness 
 Wages & working conditions 
 Reddit and other forums – community, 
discussion, learning, action
 Dynamo – what is to be done? 
 Turkopticon, contratados, 
RateMyEmployer: using reputation to gain 
power has limits – Soutbay Mental Health 
 Petitions require signatures : anonymous 
vs. attributed conundrum
Can we / how do we 
 Identify “features” that will enable all labor? 
 Add organizational to reputational power? 
 Capability for anonymous communication 
 Ability to take action – petition, flash mob, 
demonstration, legal,?
Can we / how do we 
 Give users control over movement from 
anonymous to attributed? 
 Enable users to reach out to outside, helpful 
organizations? 
 Solve challenges of large data, security, capability, 
capacity?
GNUnion 
Örsan Şenalp 
 Unionist, immigrant-flex, knowledge worker 
 Social Network Unionism, WikiStrike, NetwOrganizing, 
Networked Labour 
 Global Networked Labour Union (GNUnion) as a 
distributed organized and networked labour union 
design: Inspired by GNU/Linux, IWW, and Global 
Labour Charter project, Occupy, 15M,…
Digital vent and uprising 
 Digital and grounded transnational organising 
 Wisconsin, North Africa, 15M, Occupy, and Gezi 
uprisings 
 Expression | anger-vent | self-organisation-hope | 
action | pattern went global 
 Oakland and West-Coast Shut Dow, MayFirst global 
and 14N European transnational general strikes
The missing link 
 ‘The communities', the people 
 Says-Us as an interface? Between the unemployed, 
disempowered, and precarious workers and 
empowered communities 
 An easy access p2p-platform to social networking 
tools, skills, resources 
 A bottom up built solution focusing on moving from 
transnational self-expression, organizing and action
Status of our collaboration 
 Learning from what exists 
 Building online collaboration spaces 
 Our web host, MayFirst / People Link 
 WIN radio -"the complaint of the day” 
 Agaric, a worker owned cooperative 
 Collecting "20 questions” 
 Unions, activists, whistle blowing groups
Help us! 
 Concept development and prototyping for Says-us 
as an functioning online portal 
 Designers, developers, coders, security 
 Activists, organizers, communities 
 Creating domain specific “20 questions” 
 Translation 
 Legal advice 
 Raise money: CoopFunding.org
THANK YOU! 
Frank Kashner 
Says-Us.Net 
info@says-us.net 
facebook: says-us 
@says_us 
Örsan Şenalp (networg.nl) 
Global Networked Labour Union 
gnunion.wordpress.com 
gnunion@networg.nl 
@OneBigMeshwork

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Says-us and GNUnion at #DL14 Ney York 14 Nov 2014 A Status Update

  • 1. A Status Update #DL14, 14 November 2014, New York
  • 2.  How do problems of Digita Labor (DL) compare to those of non-DL, unorganized labour?  How do we understand the current strategies and tools being used to improve conditions for DL?  Can we imagine and implement more opportunities and tools for self-organizing?  How can we add action based organizing to current predominantly reputation based organizing?
  • 3. SAYS-US.NET Frank Kashner  From GE IUE factory to software engineering to social work & SEIU  From South Bay Mental Health to jobvent.com to says-us. net and digital solutions  Says-us.net  Online platform to enable working people to voice & hear complaints about work (+)  To find each other, to organize, and to take action
  • 4. Digital Labor is Labor  Jeff Bezos / Amazon = Innovator, Employer, Aggregator, Boss, Enabler, Exploiter  Requesters and Turkers = bosses and workers  DL faces small employers, lawless, abusive, low wages, divisions, isolation
  • 5.  There are multiple rating & review systems  ratemyemployer.ca, jobvent.com, jobitorial.com, glassdoor.com, fixmyjob.com, coworker.org, contratados.org, Dynamo, Turkopticon, hylo.org, Reddit, Facebook, Twitter  Turkopticon ratings: Communicativity, generosity, fairness, pr omptness  Wages & working conditions  Reddit and other forums – community, discussion, learning, action
  • 6.  Dynamo – what is to be done?  Turkopticon, contratados, RateMyEmployer: using reputation to gain power has limits – Soutbay Mental Health  Petitions require signatures : anonymous vs. attributed conundrum
  • 7. Can we / how do we  Identify “features” that will enable all labor?  Add organizational to reputational power?  Capability for anonymous communication  Ability to take action – petition, flash mob, demonstration, legal,?
  • 8. Can we / how do we  Give users control over movement from anonymous to attributed?  Enable users to reach out to outside, helpful organizations?  Solve challenges of large data, security, capability, capacity?
  • 9. GNUnion Örsan Şenalp  Unionist, immigrant-flex, knowledge worker  Social Network Unionism, WikiStrike, NetwOrganizing, Networked Labour  Global Networked Labour Union (GNUnion) as a distributed organized and networked labour union design: Inspired by GNU/Linux, IWW, and Global Labour Charter project, Occupy, 15M,…
  • 10. Digital vent and uprising  Digital and grounded transnational organising  Wisconsin, North Africa, 15M, Occupy, and Gezi uprisings  Expression | anger-vent | self-organisation-hope | action | pattern went global  Oakland and West-Coast Shut Dow, MayFirst global and 14N European transnational general strikes
  • 11. The missing link  ‘The communities', the people  Says-Us as an interface? Between the unemployed, disempowered, and precarious workers and empowered communities  An easy access p2p-platform to social networking tools, skills, resources  A bottom up built solution focusing on moving from transnational self-expression, organizing and action
  • 12. Status of our collaboration  Learning from what exists  Building online collaboration spaces  Our web host, MayFirst / People Link  WIN radio -"the complaint of the day”  Agaric, a worker owned cooperative  Collecting "20 questions”  Unions, activists, whistle blowing groups
  • 13. Help us!  Concept development and prototyping for Says-us as an functioning online portal  Designers, developers, coders, security  Activists, organizers, communities  Creating domain specific “20 questions”  Translation  Legal advice  Raise money: CoopFunding.org
  • 14. THANK YOU! Frank Kashner Says-Us.Net info@says-us.net facebook: says-us @says_us Örsan Şenalp (networg.nl) Global Networked Labour Union gnunion.wordpress.com gnunion@networg.nl @OneBigMeshwork