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HOW TO GET THAT
  NEXT PM JOB
        Shreyas Doshi
  Product Manager @ Google

   http://twitter.com/shreyas
http://shrey...
Goal:

actionable steps that will
increase your chances of
getting the right product
    management job

                 ...
Disclaimer:
 Opinions and ideas
expressed here are my
   own. They don’t
necessarily reflect the
views of my employer

    ...
4
3 key lessons learned
from hiring and getting
          hired:


                          5
6
1.
  building credibility
 before you even walk
through that door =>
       priceless

                         7
2.
PM roles usually
 require prior
  experience:
 the catch-22

                   8
9
3.
job hunting makes you
       smarter


                        10
So, what are hiring
managers looking for?



                        11
take a step back:
what does a product
   manager do?


                      12
Marty Cagan

the product manager is
     responsible for
 discovering a product
 that is useful, usable,
      and feasibl...
Shreyas’ addendum:




                     14
the 5 essential attributes
        of PMs:



                             15
1.
has product sense



                    16
product sense =
 the ability to usually
make the right product
decisions - both macro
      and micro

                   ...
2.
is smart



           18
3.
gets things done



                   19
4.
is a culture fit



                  20
5.
  has technical skills

   technical skills =
has domain expertise +
understands technology
                         21
Good PM

1. has product sense
2. is smart
3. gets things done
4. is a culture fit
5. has technical skills
                 ...
the search:



              23
where to look for PM
        jobs



                       24
the usual places...

 btw, LinkedIn works
pretty well for PM jobs

look and apply for new
  positions every day
          ...
start-up job search tip

   use crunchbase


                          26
Read more at:
http://bit.ly/startupjobs
                            27
start a blog if you don’t
        have one



                            28
the accidental A/B test



                          29
30
31
A:
    more interesting
     conversations,
references to blog posts,
   higher success rate

                            ...
B: lower success rate



                        33
but, I can’t think of any
  topics to write about



                            34
observation: compared
 to other fields, theres
almost no info. on the
web on the practice of
 product management

         ...
36
the search:
transitioning into product
 management from other
           roles


                             37
first, be sure that you’ll
enjoy product management



                              38
39
40
talk to at least 8 product
managers about the good
 and (especially) the bad



                             41
still want to do this PM
         thing?



                           42
splendid.

so what is the best place to
   go to become a PM?


                               43
wrong answer:

business school



                  44
don’t fall for the deferred life
             plan

          the
  “MBA first, PM next”
   mindset is harmful

           ...
X
an MBA degree is not an
escalator. its a door-knob



                             46
confirm if your MBA
 expectations are realistic

spend at least 20 hours with
     the best, free career
 research tool on ...
?




    48
49
50
what is the best place to go
    to become a PM?



                               51
right answer:

your current company



                       52
get hands-on PM
 experience at your current
company. get the skills and
 perspective you’ll need for
people to take you se...
observation: PMs are super-
busy people and can always
 use help from capable co-
          workers


                    ...
1.
approach your PM - offer to
         help out

be specific about what you’ll
 do, for how long, what the
           goal...
2.
shadow PMs at their core
     team meetings



                           56
3.
   you already work on a
product. become the biggest
  source of ideas for that
 product. implement them

 become “hard...
wait...

 this is too much work

isn’t there an easier way?


                             58
its about being resourceful

  which is a key quality of
            PMs

so treat this as a test of your
       PM-suitab...
4.
 take a (good) PM class.

esp. useful for learning the
 PM vocabulary for your
     future interviews

                ...
do this for at least 6 months

  highlight this experience
  during your job search

 more doors will open for
        you...
the resume:




              62
1.
the Summary is important
 for the go/no-go decision

  keep it short and real

  if you have technical
 background, men...
remove the buzzwords

e.g. fortune 500, synergies,
   C-level, CxO, product
  management executive,
     team player, cros...
impress with facts, not with
 big words that make you
      look important

   (because they don’t)


                    ...
Bad:
   a visionary product
management executive with
 vast strategic experience
   driving operational
efficiencies at For...
??




     67
Better:
  5 years of experience
   building enterprise
 monitoring products for
companies such as IBM,
 HP, Applied Materi...
2.
Don’t write everything
about your product and
  everything you did


                         69
three bullet points max:




                           70
3.
include hooks - things that
pique the reader’s curiosity
 and become conversation
points during the interview


       ...
e.g.




       72
4.
       include links

   e.g. info about your
  product, or link to the
product itself, or even your
         blog post...
radical idea - include a
small screenshot of your
most important product



                            74
5.
clearly highlight career wins

e.g. promoted to Group PM
   within X years, given Y
  additional responsibility

      ...
the interview:




                 76
the 3 types of PM interview
         processes



                              77
78
79
80
the categories of questions
     in PM interviews:



                              81
1.
product-sense questions



                          82
2.
product management basics



                            83
e.g.

   what does a PM do

what are the key challenges
      of the PM job

 how to prioritize features
                 ...
3.
process-related



                  85
e.g.

how to manage a complex
        launch

how to deal with a difficult
      team member
                              ...
4.
past projects or products



                            87
e.g.

why did you choose X over
            Y

 how did you deal with Z
         failure
                            88
5.
brain teasers/problem-
        solving



                         89
e.g.

   Joe’s weight: 140 lbs
weight of each stone: 5 lbs

 how can Joe get 3 stones
 across a bridge that can
only take ...
6.
domain expertise



                   91
e.g.

   how is company X
positioned vs. company Y

 what are the 4 key pain
points for customers in our
          vertica...
7.
understanding of
  technology



                   93
look familiar?




                 94
95
on technical questions:


 observation: engineering
usually has huge say in the
      hiring decision

                   ...
you must be able to explain
     the basics of the
 technologies your product
        depends on


                       ...
e.g. for consumer-internet

http, ssl, dns, html, ajax,
javascript, cookies, GET,
 POST, web servers, ....


             ...
bad idea:

  saying “i am a business
   person. next question
          please”

as a PM, technology is your
         busi...
on product-sense questions:

           e.g.
your favorite product and
           why

  compare facebook and
        twit...
101
true success = interviewer
has learned something new
       from you today



                              102
on product exercises:

    some examples

   write a mini-PRD
draw rough wireframes
present a proposal on X
              ...
tips for success in product
          exercises:

      practice is key


                              104
Mark Twain

It takes more than three
weeks to prepare a good
    impromptu speech


                           105
1. clarify the objectives
2. cover the top issues first,
then go into detail
3. show options considered
4. point out drawba...
practice - corollary:

  if you *absolutely love* a
 particular company, wait a
bit before interviewing there


          ...
you’ll get noticeably better
    after your first 2-3
   interviews elsewhere

ensure you’re interviewing
with that dream c...
finally, you must know the
  company’s products really
  well. come up with ways
  you’d improve them. but
 you will be lac...
the choice:




              110
congratulations, you have
      some offers



                            111
choose carefully




                   112
some PM jobs that (usually)
          suck



                              113
114
1.
the PM without any
     engineers



                     115
Corollary:

the PM who’s not in-charge
    of an actual product


                             116
117
2.
the PM in a company that
     doesn’t consider
  engineering as a core
        strength


                           118
Result:
    engineering at such
   companies becomes a
  “service organization” -
    doesn’t attract good
engineers - eng...
120
3.
the PM in a company that
doesn’t understand the role
 of Product Management


                              121
Corollary:
the PM who reports into
      Marketing



                          122
Recap - heres what you
    learned today:



                         123
Rule #1:

job hunting makes you
  smarter - so enjoy it


                          124
on transitions:

know very well what you’re
       getting into


                             125
Rule # 2:

you don’t know what you’re
 getting into unless you’ve
   spoken with 8 people
 who’ve gone through the
       ...
learning about product
     management:

only way to learn is to
 actually do the job


                          127
Rule # 3:

 do the job before you get
the title, not the other way
            around


                               128
Rule # 4:

MBA !=

MBA =

               129
Rule # 5:

   best place to position
   yourself for your next
career step is where you are
            now

             ...
transitions require planning:

 start 6-12 months before
   you have to make any
         transition


                   ...
Rule # 6:

keep your resume short,
show you’ve worked on
  important products,
       use hooks

                         ...
Rule # 7:

build credibility even before
      they’ve met you.

        start a blog

                                133
succeeding in the interview:

  you now know what to
         expect

    prepare & practise

                            ...
Rule # 8:

join a company that gets
prod mgmt, builds good
   products, has smart
        engineers

                     ...
And finally ...




                 136
Once you have landed that
   dream PM job ...



                            137
make great products




                      138
That’s all

Good luck!



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Talk delivered in March 2010 to 100+ people at the Silicon Valley Product Management Association (SVPMA).

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  1. 1. HOW TO GET THAT NEXT PM JOB Shreyas Doshi Product Manager @ Google http://twitter.com/shreyas http://shreyasdoshi.typepad.com 1
  2. 2. Goal: actionable steps that will increase your chances of getting the right product management job 2
  3. 3. Disclaimer: Opinions and ideas expressed here are my own. They don’t necessarily reflect the views of my employer 3
  4. 4. 4
  5. 5. 3 key lessons learned from hiring and getting hired: 5
  6. 6. 6
  7. 7. 1. building credibility before you even walk through that door => priceless 7
  8. 8. 2. PM roles usually require prior experience: the catch-22 8
  9. 9. 9
  10. 10. 3. job hunting makes you smarter 10
  11. 11. So, what are hiring managers looking for? 11
  12. 12. take a step back: what does a product manager do? 12
  13. 13. Marty Cagan the product manager is responsible for discovering a product that is useful, usable, and feasible 13
  14. 14. Shreyas’ addendum: 14
  15. 15. the 5 essential attributes of PMs: 15
  16. 16. 1. has product sense 16
  17. 17. product sense = the ability to usually make the right product decisions - both macro and micro 17
  18. 18. 2. is smart 18
  19. 19. 3. gets things done 19
  20. 20. 4. is a culture fit 20
  21. 21. 5. has technical skills technical skills = has domain expertise + understands technology 21
  22. 22. Good PM 1. has product sense 2. is smart 3. gets things done 4. is a culture fit 5. has technical skills 22
  23. 23. the search: 23
  24. 24. where to look for PM jobs 24
  25. 25. the usual places... btw, LinkedIn works pretty well for PM jobs look and apply for new positions every day 25
  26. 26. start-up job search tip use crunchbase 26
  27. 27. Read more at: http://bit.ly/startupjobs 27
  28. 28. start a blog if you don’t have one 28
  29. 29. the accidental A/B test 29
  30. 30. 30
  31. 31. 31
  32. 32. A: more interesting conversations, references to blog posts, higher success rate 32
  33. 33. B: lower success rate 33
  34. 34. but, I can’t think of any topics to write about 34
  35. 35. observation: compared to other fields, theres almost no info. on the web on the practice of product management 35
  36. 36. 36
  37. 37. the search: transitioning into product management from other roles 37
  38. 38. first, be sure that you’ll enjoy product management 38
  39. 39. 39
  40. 40. 40
  41. 41. talk to at least 8 product managers about the good and (especially) the bad 41
  42. 42. still want to do this PM thing? 42
  43. 43. splendid. so what is the best place to go to become a PM? 43
  44. 44. wrong answer: business school 44
  45. 45. don’t fall for the deferred life plan the “MBA first, PM next” mindset is harmful 45
  46. 46. X an MBA degree is not an escalator. its a door-knob 46
  47. 47. confirm if your MBA expectations are realistic spend at least 20 hours with the best, free career research tool on the planet 47
  48. 48. ? 48
  49. 49. 49
  50. 50. 50
  51. 51. what is the best place to go to become a PM? 51
  52. 52. right answer: your current company 52
  53. 53. get hands-on PM experience at your current company. get the skills and perspective you’ll need for people to take you seriously when you apply for PM jobs How? 53
  54. 54. observation: PMs are super- busy people and can always use help from capable co- workers 54
  55. 55. 1. approach your PM - offer to help out be specific about what you’ll do, for how long, what the goal is 55
  56. 56. 2. shadow PMs at their core team meetings 56
  57. 57. 3. you already work on a product. become the biggest source of ideas for that product. implement them become “hard to ignore” 57
  58. 58. wait... this is too much work isn’t there an easier way? 58
  59. 59. its about being resourceful which is a key quality of PMs so treat this as a test of your PM-suitability 59
  60. 60. 4. take a (good) PM class. esp. useful for learning the PM vocabulary for your future interviews 60
  61. 61. do this for at least 6 months highlight this experience during your job search more doors will open for you now 61
  62. 62. the resume: 62
  63. 63. 1. the Summary is important for the go/no-go decision keep it short and real if you have technical background, mention it 63
  64. 64. remove the buzzwords e.g. fortune 500, synergies, C-level, CxO, product management executive, team player, cross- functional, strategically strategizing the strategies.. 64
  65. 65. impress with facts, not with big words that make you look important (because they don’t) 65
  66. 66. Bad: a visionary product management executive with vast strategic experience driving operational efficiencies at Fortune 100 enterprises with C-level visibility 66
  67. 67. ?? 67
  68. 68. Better: 5 years of experience building enterprise monitoring products for companies such as IBM, HP, Applied Materials. Products generated more than 200 million revenue 68
  69. 69. 2. Don’t write everything about your product and everything you did 69
  70. 70. three bullet points max: 70
  71. 71. 3. include hooks - things that pique the reader’s curiosity and become conversation points during the interview 71
  72. 72. e.g. 72
  73. 73. 4. include links e.g. info about your product, or link to the product itself, or even your blog posts 73
  74. 74. radical idea - include a small screenshot of your most important product 74
  75. 75. 5. clearly highlight career wins e.g. promoted to Group PM within X years, given Y additional responsibility 75
  76. 76. the interview: 76
  77. 77. the 3 types of PM interview processes 77
  78. 78. 78
  79. 79. 79
  80. 80. 80
  81. 81. the categories of questions in PM interviews: 81
  82. 82. 1. product-sense questions 82
  83. 83. 2. product management basics 83
  84. 84. e.g. what does a PM do what are the key challenges of the PM job how to prioritize features 84
  85. 85. 3. process-related 85
  86. 86. e.g. how to manage a complex launch how to deal with a difficult team member 86
  87. 87. 4. past projects or products 87
  88. 88. e.g. why did you choose X over Y how did you deal with Z failure 88
  89. 89. 5. brain teasers/problem- solving 89
  90. 90. e.g. Joe’s weight: 140 lbs weight of each stone: 5 lbs how can Joe get 3 stones across a bridge that can only take 150 lbs of load? 90
  91. 91. 6. domain expertise 91
  92. 92. e.g. how is company X positioned vs. company Y what are the 4 key pain points for customers in our vertical 92
  93. 93. 7. understanding of technology 93
  94. 94. look familiar? 94
  95. 95. 95
  96. 96. on technical questions: observation: engineering usually has huge say in the hiring decision 96
  97. 97. you must be able to explain the basics of the technologies your product depends on 97
  98. 98. e.g. for consumer-internet http, ssl, dns, html, ajax, javascript, cookies, GET, POST, web servers, .... 98
  99. 99. bad idea: saying “i am a business person. next question please” as a PM, technology is your business 99
  100. 100. on product-sense questions: e.g. your favorite product and why compare facebook and twitter 100
  101. 101. 101
  102. 102. true success = interviewer has learned something new from you today 102
  103. 103. on product exercises: some examples write a mini-PRD draw rough wireframes present a proposal on X 103
  104. 104. tips for success in product exercises: practice is key 104
  105. 105. Mark Twain It takes more than three weeks to prepare a good impromptu speech 105
  106. 106. 1. clarify the objectives 2. cover the top issues first, then go into detail 3. show options considered 4. point out drawbacks of your choice okay to say “i don’t know” 106
  107. 107. practice - corollary: if you *absolutely love* a particular company, wait a bit before interviewing there 107
  108. 108. you’ll get noticeably better after your first 2-3 interviews elsewhere ensure you’re interviewing with that dream company after that 108
  109. 109. finally, you must know the company’s products really well. come up with ways you’d improve them. but you will be lacking a lot of context, so be aware of that 109
  110. 110. the choice: 110
  111. 111. congratulations, you have some offers 111
  112. 112. choose carefully 112
  113. 113. some PM jobs that (usually) suck 113
  114. 114. 114
  115. 115. 1. the PM without any engineers 115
  116. 116. Corollary: the PM who’s not in-charge of an actual product 116
  117. 117. 117
  118. 118. 2. the PM in a company that doesn’t consider engineering as a core strength 118
  119. 119. Result: engineering at such companies becomes a “service organization” - doesn’t attract good engineers - engineering isn’t engaged in the product 119
  120. 120. 120
  121. 121. 3. the PM in a company that doesn’t understand the role of Product Management 121
  122. 122. Corollary: the PM who reports into Marketing 122
  123. 123. Recap - heres what you learned today: 123
  124. 124. Rule #1: job hunting makes you smarter - so enjoy it 124
  125. 125. on transitions: know very well what you’re getting into 125
  126. 126. Rule # 2: you don’t know what you’re getting into unless you’ve spoken with 8 people who’ve gone through the same thing 126
  127. 127. learning about product management: only way to learn is to actually do the job 127
  128. 128. Rule # 3: do the job before you get the title, not the other way around 128
  129. 129. Rule # 4: MBA != MBA = 129
  130. 130. Rule # 5: best place to position yourself for your next career step is where you are now 130
  131. 131. transitions require planning: start 6-12 months before you have to make any transition 131
  132. 132. Rule # 6: keep your resume short, show you’ve worked on important products, use hooks 132
  133. 133. Rule # 7: build credibility even before they’ve met you. start a blog 133
  134. 134. succeeding in the interview: you now know what to expect prepare & practise 134
  135. 135. Rule # 8: join a company that gets prod mgmt, builds good products, has smart engineers 135
  136. 136. And finally ... 136
  137. 137. Once you have landed that dream PM job ... 137
  138. 138. make great products 138
  139. 139. That’s all Good luck! 139
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Shreyas Doshi, Product Manager at Google, shares an entertaining perspective on how to get that next product management job. Includes practical tips and stick figures! Talk delivered in March 2010 to 100+ people at the Silicon Valley Product Management Association (SVPMA).

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