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Giving Up Control: Leading in the Digital Era 
Script for TED Talk given by Charlene Li at TED@IBM on September 23, 2014 in San 
Francisco, CA. 
What does it mean to be a leader in the digital era? And I mean a leader in all aspects 
of our lives — at work, in our communities, and in our homes. This is not a light 
question. This is an urgent issue. 
Research from Gallup shows that worldwide, amazingly, only 13% of people are 
engaged in their work. And, despite companies’ best efforts to address this problem, 
that number has barely budged over the past decade. This is also an issue in our 
homes. 
This is what engagement looks like in my household. My teenagers are TOTALLY 
engaged - with their devices, with their friends, and with their worlds. But not with 
me. 
As the parent, I am a distraction, an annoyance when I try to get them to do the 
things that I want them to do. If you’re not a parent, you likely remember what it 
was like to be a teen yourself – and the annoyance you felt at having parents tell you 
how to drive, dress, or date. 
But at some point, parents have to trust their teenagers. People who successfully 
parent teens into adulthood eventually tell them, “I know you can do this now on 
your own.” 
It’s time for us to learn how do this at work as well. 
Hierarchies, which exist in most organizations, were developed at the dawn of the 
industrial revolution to create efficiency and scale. 
Hierarchies work great if you manufacture widgets, where the information and 
expertise needed to make decisions reside only at the top. But in our modern, 
digitally-connected world, the need for efficiency pales against the need for speed, 
innovation, and change. The people who have to respond quickly to change live at 
the edges and bottom of the organization. 
Leaders today need to trust that those employees will exercise good judgment when 
making decisions that in the past would have been sent “up the ladder” for someone 
else to decide.
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To do this, those employees need to have the ability to have two-way non-hierarchical 
conversation across the organization so that they have the information 
needed to make decisions and take action. 
This is not a future, utopian world — it is one that already exists today. 
An example of this is the restaurant chain Red Robin has a very digital-savvy 
employee base because 87% of them are Millennials. When they launched a new 
menu item called the Pig Out Style Burger, restaurant servers posted customer 
feedback on the company’s internal social network – and it wasn’t all good. 
Executives quickly realized that they had to change the recipe and worked with 
those employees to figure out what to do. The result –suggestions went from 
employees to the test kitchens at headquarters and back into the field in only 30 
days — compared to 6-12 months it would have normally taken. Red Robin realized 
that employee engagement wasn’t about employees talking with each other but 
rather that they were heard and that their voices made a difference. 
But there’s a big problem. Managers who sit between top leaders and the front lines 
absolutely abhor this new openness. They see executives going around them to talk 
to their direct reports. And they fight these changes tooth and nail because they feel 
they are losing control. 
While these middle managers are often an obstacle to change, they are also a crucial 
part of the solution. The key is to help them realize the fallacy of control and to show 
them how they can be successful leaders in a networked organization. 
I’ve spent a lot of time researching and thinking about this problem. And I’ve 
identified three things that organizations can do to help leaders through this 
transformation. 
The first is to Create a Culture of Sharing. 
In hierarchies, each layer is designed to filter information up and push decisions 
down. We were taught that to be successful, we had to hoard information. But in a 
networked organization, just the opposite is true. Middle managers become 
facilitators, who can accelerate the spread of information and decision-making. 
The best example I’ve ever seen of this was on the US Navy aircraft carrier, the USS 
Nimitz. In a radical act of transparency, the Navy invited 16 bloggers to spend 24 
hours onboard. I was fortunate to be one of those people. 
Once on board, the captain encouraged us to ask anyone, anything, at any time. He 
knew he couldn’t control what his sailors would say to us, but he had confidence 
that they knew what to share and what to keep private. That’s because they had a 
culture of sharing in place, and practiced it every day because their lives and their
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mission depended on people being able to speak up at the right time. It’s ironic that 
one of the models of hierarchy – the military – is also one of the most transparent 
organizations. 
How many of you would be comfortable letting an outsider walk around your 
organization unescorted, for even an hour? If you have a strong culture of sharing in 
place, you would have confidence that this would be fine. 
The second thing organizations can do is to encourage the Practice of Followership. 
Today, the size and quality of your network – not your title -- determines how much 
power and influence you have, and therefore how much you can get done. 
One manager I know posted internal video updates about a project that she was 
working on, and used those videos to engage people throughout the organization. 
She was actively developing relationships and building a network of followers. 
When it came time to implement the project, she tapped her Followers for 
volunteers who could champion implementation within their own departments. 
If middle managers were encouraged to build their Followership, then if their titles 
were to change or even disappear, they would nonetheless retain their power, 
influence – and effectiveness. This doesn’t just apply to managers. Any employee 
who can build a following, can also lead. 
The third thing organizations can is to ensure that networks are being used to Make 
Meaningful Decisions. 
Employees and managers are smart – they are NOT going to engage unless they 
believe it will move the organization and themselves forward. But how can you get 
them engaged in the first place? The key is to get decision makers involved 
One CEO made the shift by asking employees throughout the company to suggest 
processes and technologies that the company should eliminate. This took place on 
the company’s internal collaboration platform. With over 800 suggestions 
submitted, the CEO started prioritizing which ones to cut, again with input from 
employees. When middle managers and executives got wind of these activities they 
began to engage. This became a turning point as mangers began to see networks 
getting real work done. Using networks to make critical decisions is the only way to 
get traction. 
I’ve just described three ways to lead in the digital era. But changing organizations 
through sharing, followership and networking does not happen overnight.
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What each of these has in common is that we have to give up the traditional notion 
that power and influence comes from being in control. That is not an easy idea to let 
go of. 
But just like when you were a teen and your parents had to let go in order for you to 
grow, organizations need to empower and engage their employees, let go, and trust 
that they will do the right thing. This is the only way that we as leaders will be able 
to harness our employees’ passion, their creativity and their energy. 
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  • 1. Charlene Li Version 7 1 Giving Up Control: Leading in the Digital Era Script for TED Talk given by Charlene Li at TED@IBM on September 23, 2014 in San Francisco, CA. What does it mean to be a leader in the digital era? And I mean a leader in all aspects of our lives — at work, in our communities, and in our homes. This is not a light question. This is an urgent issue. Research from Gallup shows that worldwide, amazingly, only 13% of people are engaged in their work. And, despite companies’ best efforts to address this problem, that number has barely budged over the past decade. This is also an issue in our homes. This is what engagement looks like in my household. My teenagers are TOTALLY engaged - with their devices, with their friends, and with their worlds. But not with me. As the parent, I am a distraction, an annoyance when I try to get them to do the things that I want them to do. If you’re not a parent, you likely remember what it was like to be a teen yourself – and the annoyance you felt at having parents tell you how to drive, dress, or date. But at some point, parents have to trust their teenagers. People who successfully parent teens into adulthood eventually tell them, “I know you can do this now on your own.” It’s time for us to learn how do this at work as well. Hierarchies, which exist in most organizations, were developed at the dawn of the industrial revolution to create efficiency and scale. Hierarchies work great if you manufacture widgets, where the information and expertise needed to make decisions reside only at the top. But in our modern, digitally-connected world, the need for efficiency pales against the need for speed, innovation, and change. The people who have to respond quickly to change live at the edges and bottom of the organization. Leaders today need to trust that those employees will exercise good judgment when making decisions that in the past would have been sent “up the ladder” for someone else to decide.
  • 2. Charlene Li Version 7 2 To do this, those employees need to have the ability to have two-way non-hierarchical conversation across the organization so that they have the information needed to make decisions and take action. This is not a future, utopian world — it is one that already exists today. An example of this is the restaurant chain Red Robin has a very digital-savvy employee base because 87% of them are Millennials. When they launched a new menu item called the Pig Out Style Burger, restaurant servers posted customer feedback on the company’s internal social network – and it wasn’t all good. Executives quickly realized that they had to change the recipe and worked with those employees to figure out what to do. The result –suggestions went from employees to the test kitchens at headquarters and back into the field in only 30 days — compared to 6-12 months it would have normally taken. Red Robin realized that employee engagement wasn’t about employees talking with each other but rather that they were heard and that their voices made a difference. But there’s a big problem. Managers who sit between top leaders and the front lines absolutely abhor this new openness. They see executives going around them to talk to their direct reports. And they fight these changes tooth and nail because they feel they are losing control. While these middle managers are often an obstacle to change, they are also a crucial part of the solution. The key is to help them realize the fallacy of control and to show them how they can be successful leaders in a networked organization. I’ve spent a lot of time researching and thinking about this problem. And I’ve identified three things that organizations can do to help leaders through this transformation. The first is to Create a Culture of Sharing. In hierarchies, each layer is designed to filter information up and push decisions down. We were taught that to be successful, we had to hoard information. But in a networked organization, just the opposite is true. Middle managers become facilitators, who can accelerate the spread of information and decision-making. The best example I’ve ever seen of this was on the US Navy aircraft carrier, the USS Nimitz. In a radical act of transparency, the Navy invited 16 bloggers to spend 24 hours onboard. I was fortunate to be one of those people. Once on board, the captain encouraged us to ask anyone, anything, at any time. He knew he couldn’t control what his sailors would say to us, but he had confidence that they knew what to share and what to keep private. That’s because they had a culture of sharing in place, and practiced it every day because their lives and their
  • 3. Charlene Li Version 7 3 mission depended on people being able to speak up at the right time. It’s ironic that one of the models of hierarchy – the military – is also one of the most transparent organizations. How many of you would be comfortable letting an outsider walk around your organization unescorted, for even an hour? If you have a strong culture of sharing in place, you would have confidence that this would be fine. The second thing organizations can do is to encourage the Practice of Followership. Today, the size and quality of your network – not your title -- determines how much power and influence you have, and therefore how much you can get done. One manager I know posted internal video updates about a project that she was working on, and used those videos to engage people throughout the organization. She was actively developing relationships and building a network of followers. When it came time to implement the project, she tapped her Followers for volunteers who could champion implementation within their own departments. If middle managers were encouraged to build their Followership, then if their titles were to change or even disappear, they would nonetheless retain their power, influence – and effectiveness. This doesn’t just apply to managers. Any employee who can build a following, can also lead. The third thing organizations can is to ensure that networks are being used to Make Meaningful Decisions. Employees and managers are smart – they are NOT going to engage unless they believe it will move the organization and themselves forward. But how can you get them engaged in the first place? The key is to get decision makers involved One CEO made the shift by asking employees throughout the company to suggest processes and technologies that the company should eliminate. This took place on the company’s internal collaboration platform. With over 800 suggestions submitted, the CEO started prioritizing which ones to cut, again with input from employees. When middle managers and executives got wind of these activities they began to engage. This became a turning point as mangers began to see networks getting real work done. Using networks to make critical decisions is the only way to get traction. I’ve just described three ways to lead in the digital era. But changing organizations through sharing, followership and networking does not happen overnight.
  • 4. Charlene Li Version 7 What each of these has in common is that we have to give up the traditional notion that power and influence comes from being in control. That is not an easy idea to let go of. But just like when you were a teen and your parents had to let go in order for you to grow, organizations need to empower and engage their employees, let go, and trust that they will do the right thing. This is the only way that we as leaders will be able to harness our employees’ passion, their creativity and their energy. 4 Thank you.